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***Vendetta*** · #41 (**permalink**) 07-09-2007, 04:11 PM

I see your pawn diligently reported back to you, as I knew he would. I got on to him because cB doesn't really have a unique look or design, there are many other forums that use the same design. The way the scripts and layout is hashed together is visually appealing; but it's been done. So you can understand why I might say that cB is not a special or unique snowflake, nor is it really worthy or replication on a personal level; It's a design that is common, and a design that existed before cB. It is also a design that works, so of course we, like many other sites, would use the same aspects of design as you would. That's just common sense, and good business. But cB is again, far from unique, so the accusation that we'd be copying cB, or would want to, is preposterous.

Xangansdotcom was probably banned for a Terms of Service violation; I don't remember what, because it was probably done awhile ago. I do have a lot to keep track of, after all.

And thanks for the complements on the design. =] Check back in a couple weeks, pal. Until then, you're welcome to talk to me in PM's. Trying to start drama in public is kind of middle school-ish if you, don't you think?

micron@cb · #42 (**permalink**) 07-10-2007, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendetta

I see your pawn diligently reported back to you, as I knew he would. I got on to him because cB doesn't really have a unique look or design, there are many other forums that use the same design. The way the scripts and layout is hashed together is visually appealing; but it's been done. So you can understand why I might say that cB is not a special or unique snowflake, nor is it really worthy or replication on a personal level; It's a design that is common, and a design that existed before cB. It is also a design that works, so of course we, like many other sites, would use the same aspects of design as you would. That's just common sense, and good business. But cB is again, far from unique, so the accusation that we'd be copying cB, or would want to, is preposterous.

Xangansdotcom was probably banned for a Terms of Service violation; I don't remember what, because it was probably done awhile ago. I do have a lot to keep track of, after all.

And thanks for the complements on the design. =] Check back in a couple weeks, pal. Until then, you're welcome to talk to me in PM's. Trying to start drama in public is kind of middle school-ish if you, don't you think?

i apologize in advance for the some of the blunt things i am about to say, but as youve commited libel against me, i think i have the right to explain myself publically for everyone else's sake.

please reread what you wrote and i think youll agree with me that youre talking out of your ass. normally i would be sympathetic but its really hard to be so when someone libels about you and then when confronted to explain himself comes up with lousy excuses.

1. you said, and i state "I can start linking forums where you ripped your source code from", meaning i illegally copied source codes from some phantom website(s). however in your explanation you now merely refer to the overall "design". in my defense, i did not base createblog's design on any other website; it was solely and independently my creation.

2. createblog is VERY unique but for arguments sake lets say its not. this however does not automatically mean that copying wasnt commited on blogring's part. now, im not accusing blogring of it as i was not the person to point out the similarities of createblog and the new upcoming blogring. what i want to point out is the obvious holes in your argument. you are basing your entire premise of blogring not "borrowing ideas" from createblog in that createblog isnt unique. that argument is - as you coined it - preposterous; it is perfectly normal to "borrow" ideas from a more successful couterpart - unique or not unique. in another words, being unique and not unique has nothing to do with it.

3. for your information, i just happened to stumble upon blogring by myself. i wish i could get in touch with the person to whom you've libeled about me so that he/she may know the truth. alas, i sincerely hope you are mature enough to leave my posts intact at the expense of your integrity, as it was you who have libeled against me, not the other way around. i am merely clearing myself from your libel, so let the truth be told...

***Vendetta*** · #43 (**permalink**) 07-10-2007, 10:56 PM

You throw around the word "libel" like the use of a 12th grade English level term is supposed to intimidate me. Your clever use of the word "ass" doesn't impress me, but it does belie your age. Also, if you're going to use adult words, use adult grammar. A college education will go far to facilitate this end.

Nonetheless, what I'm doing is expressing an opinion. A very first amendment protected opinion, so, since we want to be technical, I'm not committing "libel", I'm expressing a view based on opinion, founded on personal experience and the matter at hand. Therefore, you're entirely in the wrong here. It's a glass defense.

Furthermore, you don't need to vainly apologize to me for anything, because I know you're not sorry, you're just patronizing me. But that's fine, now that I have your feathers ruffled, my retort.

To counter point number one: It's ludicrous for you to claim cB was "independently" your own creation in design. You're using a standard bulletin board variant skin. Changing colors or setting up a CSS isn't creating something from scratch, just like, right now, BR isn't created from scratch. You're using the same format and styles as many other pages, so claiming yours is unique is a blatant lie.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but a site design is based, entirely, on your source code, so yes, you either 1) Replicated your source code based on some other platform, or 2) used a design template, and then took that template and modified it.

Either way, you didn't sit there and "create" a unique source engine for your site. This would entail creating an entirely new forum language altogether. You're using one already produced, open source, by someone else.

The very nature of createblog is dictated by this fundamental fact; something did not come from nothing, that "something" was already there, you just formed it to your own designs. You can attempt to argue against this all you want, but that's established fact.

As for your second point, you completely negated your first, and proved my entire argument. You didn't "borrow" anything from anyone, you just used it, and modified it.

Borrowing would imply you planned on somehow giving it back. But you didn't, did you? That would be crazy, you can't borrow and give back intellectual property, you just take it. At least try to be blunt about it.

In light of that, you're no better than I -- the difference between us is I have absolutely no illusions as to what I'm doing. If you feel offended that BR might emulate some of your design aspects, then get off your high horse, you did the same thing when you created your design, and from whomever you got it, probably did the same thing to their predecessors, and so on and so forth. Again though, we're different in that I'm not trying to hide it. I'm at least being honest with myself, and my consumer.

As for your final point, there is actually a scroll bar on the side of your window. I believe it was created with the advent of Windows 3.1... familiarize yourself with it's use on the first page of this thread.

I believe I've pretty summarily presented the situation at hand. And if I were you, I'd quit trying to justify myself, it doesn't do you justice, as I never try to present myself as some angel descended from the heavens to bring order to a chaotic world or "rectify" any situation that needs it.

I'm simply stating my opinion, and if you disagree, all the more power to you. I'd expect you to. But I wouldn't call it "libel", as I said. I think I can navigate the treacherous waters of justification quite adeptly. It's a shame you insist on keeping this public, though I confess I'm rather bemused by the entire affair.

micron@cb · #44 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 05:11 AM

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I can start linking forums where you ripped your source code from

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li·bel (lī'bəl)
n.
A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.
The act of presenting such material to the public.

wow.

everything outside the forums is entirely my creation, and its no secret that the forums are run on ipb. please link forums where i ripped source codes from. rofl.

and whats with your 3242342343 word essay? its only an internet forum, get off your pedestal, youre not as smart as you think you are. rofl.

micron@cb · #45 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 05:34 AM

oh and let me add that you are terribly illogical. please reread what you wrote and what you are arguing about. you know what, let me summarize for you.

1. you stated that i ripped source codes from website(s).
2. as you perfectly know, i did not. or shall i clarify this for you? rofl.
3. hence you libeled about me.

-i never accused blogring of anything
-i never stated i had any problems with blogring "borrowing" ideas from createblog. note that the word borrow is in quotes, as i am using it loosely. quite pathetic i need to clarify this. go reread my previous post, rofl.

is all your fluff clouding your logic? rofl.

***Vendetta*** · #46 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by micron@cb

wow.

everything outside the forums is entirely my creation, and its no secret that the forums are run on ipb. please link forums where i ripped source codes from. rofl.

and whats with your 3242342343 word essay? its only an internet forum, get off your pedestal, youre not as smart as you think you are. rofl.

I'm glad you don't get paid to think, they'd have to fire you.

I write, you retort, I pounce your retort and all you can come up with is this weak, "ZOMG IT IS JUST THE INTERNET LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL".

Sadly, I'm exactly as smart as I think I am, which you fail to realize. Which is why I can form coherent, relevant arguments based on evidence and a well fabricated and supported opinion.

I also fail to see when I said anything about anything "outside the forums". I think I was pretty direct when I said just "forums".

One more thing;

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press. . .

Again -- a college education helps here. Take a Government class. Fail that, a college level Poli Sci class. The world is not as black and white as you might would like to think. I think this effectively ends this line of discussion.

You lose, good day sir.

//edit, funny, I see now you've edited your posts. That trick pony is kind of tired, don't you think? Since this discussion is over though, sadly, I feel our time together has come to an end, though I did cherish it so.

As one final courtesy, to you, my very special friend, I'm going to show you to the door. As you would say... "rofl".

Oh, and you created a second account, cute. That's a ToS violation, you know. Who's breaking the rules and being mean now? Go back to cB, now, and save what little credibility you have.